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	<title>Comments on: How Did China Fare in Copenhagen?  A Critical Analysis by Someone Not in the Room</title>
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		<title>By: David Cohen-Tanugi</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Cohen-Tanugi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julian, thank you for sharing this insightful analysis!

Two quick points:

First, with respect to Round 5 (mitigation actions), there has certainly been a lot of negotiation going on about the emissions targets of both China and developing countries, although this issue didn't turn out to be as central at Copenhagen as we might have expected. But it's going to be very interesting to see how things pan out as developing countries list their commitments in an appendix later this month. Will China include its 40-45% carbon intensity reduction target, as you affirm? We're following this quite closely but there is a big question mark. The world might not have secured its point on #5 yet.

Second, I'm not sure how comfortable with the idea of pitting China versus the rest of the world with this scorecard thought-experiment. When the world loses a point, China loses too because it is as vulnerable to climate change as anybody else, if not more! A point for China's negotiators is not necessarily a point for China. While this may sound idealistic and international negotiators are certainly expected to watch out for their own country's interests, we have to be careful not to suggest that climate mitigation is a win-lose situation.


Best wishes,
David

[JLW: Thanks for your excellent comments, David.  We'll find out very soon on your first point, I guess.  On your second, I fully agree.  Perhaps I downplayed it a little too much, but the point of the exercise was to assess how China came out of Copenhagen given its position going in, not so much with respect to whether the fate of the Chinese as a civilization is better or worse off as a result.  Although subjective, assigning some form of numerical weighting to the different complex issues was the only way to come up with some defensible overall picture.  At the end of the day though, as you point out, we are all in the same space ship trying to navigate ourself out of this mess.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julian, thank you for sharing this insightful analysis!</p>
<p>Two quick points:</p>
<p>First, with respect to Round 5 (mitigation actions), there has certainly been a lot of negotiation going on about the emissions targets of both China and developing countries, although this issue didn&#8217;t turn out to be as central at Copenhagen as we might have expected. But it&#8217;s going to be very interesting to see how things pan out as developing countries list their commitments in an appendix later this month. Will China include its 40-45% carbon intensity reduction target, as you affirm? We&#8217;re following this quite closely but there is a big question mark. The world might not have secured its point on #5 yet.</p>
<p>Second, I&#8217;m not sure how comfortable with the idea of pitting China versus the rest of the world with this scorecard thought-experiment. When the world loses a point, China loses too because it is as vulnerable to climate change as anybody else, if not more! A point for China&#8217;s negotiators is not necessarily a point for China. While this may sound idealistic and international negotiators are certainly expected to watch out for their own country&#8217;s interests, we have to be careful not to suggest that climate mitigation is a win-lose situation.</p>
<p>Best wishes,<br />
David</p>
<p>[JLW: Thanks for your excellent comments, David.  We'll find out very soon on your first point, I guess.  On your second, I fully agree.  Perhaps I downplayed it a little too much, but the point of the exercise was to assess how China came out of Copenhagen given its position going in, not so much with respect to whether the fate of the Chinese as a civilization is better or worse off as a result.  Although subjective, assigning some form of numerical weighting to the different complex issues was the only way to come up with some defensible overall picture.  At the end of the day though, as you point out, we are all in the same space ship trying to navigate ourself out of this mess.]</p>
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		<title>By: Readers Edition &#187; China: &#8216;Wieso soll Kopenhagen jetzt unser Fehler sein?&#8217;</title>
		<link>http://greenleapforward.com/2009/12/23/how-did-china-fare-in-copenhagen-a-critical-analysis-by-someone-not-in-the-room/#comment-32030</link>
		<dc:creator>Readers Edition &#187; China: &#8216;Wieso soll Kopenhagen jetzt unser Fehler sein?&#8217;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 08:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] abh&#228;ngig? Interessanter ist, warum reagiert Beijing so empfindlich auf das Thema der &#220;berwachung des Fortschrittes der Verringerung der Emissionen durch Ausl&#228;nder auf chinesischem [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] abh&#228;ngig? Interessanter ist, warum reagiert Beijing so empfindlich auf das Thema der &#220;berwachung des Fortschrittes der Verringerung der Emissionen durch Ausl&#228;nder auf chinesischem [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices auf Deutsch &#187; China: &#8216;Wieso soll Kopenhagen jetzt unser Fehler sein?&#8217;</title>
		<link>http://greenleapforward.com/2009/12/23/how-did-china-fare-in-copenhagen-a-critical-analysis-by-someone-not-in-the-room/#comment-31989</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices auf Deutsch &#187; China: &#8216;Wieso soll Kopenhagen jetzt unser Fehler sein?&#8217;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 03:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] abhängig? Interessanter ist, warum reagiert Beijing so empfindlich auf das Thema der Überwachung des Fortschrittes der Verringerung der Emissionen durch Ausländer auf chinesischem [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] abhängig? Interessanter ist, warum reagiert Beijing so empfindlich auf das Thema der Überwachung des Fortschrittes der Verringerung der Emissionen durch Ausländer auf chinesischem [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great analysis!
UK's former Vice FM defends China: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/28/john-prescott-defends-china-copenhagen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great analysis!<br />
UK&#8217;s former Vice FM defends China: <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/28/john-prescott-defends-china-copenhagen" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/28/john-prescott-defends-china-copenhagen</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kai Lukoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kai Lukoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the incendiary claim in point #3 should be considered verified (see below). China not only avoided 50 by '50, but also any numerical reduction targets whatsoever, even for developed nations. As you point out, China's reasoning here is strange; it does not seem to be negotiating in good faith. 

Jonathan Watts, The Guardian: "Three European negotiators confirmed to me that Chinese negotiators not only blocked targets for themselves, but also a target proposed by Angela Merkel for developed nations to trim emissions by 80 percent by 2050."
http://www.danwei.org/foreign_media_on_china/danwei_interviews_jonathan_wat.php

The Guardian: "Merkel wanted to set a target for developed nations to cut emissions by 80% by 2050, but in the last gasp, China declared this unacceptable. This astonished many of those present: China was telling rich nations to rein back on their long-term commitment. The assumed reason was that China will have joined their ranks by 2050 and does not want to meet such a target. "Ridiculous," exclaimed Merkel as she was forced to abandon the target."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/20/copenhagen-climate-global-warming</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the incendiary claim in point #3 should be considered verified (see below). China not only avoided 50 by &#8216;50, but also any numerical reduction targets whatsoever, even for developed nations. As you point out, China&#8217;s reasoning here is strange; it does not seem to be negotiating in good faith. </p>
<p>Jonathan Watts, The Guardian: &#8220;Three European negotiators confirmed to me that Chinese negotiators not only blocked targets for themselves, but also a target proposed by Angela Merkel for developed nations to trim emissions by 80 percent by 2050.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.danwei.org/foreign_media_on_china/danwei_interviews_jonathan_wat.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.danwei.org/foreign_media_on_china/danwei_interviews_jonathan_wat.php</a></p>
<p>The Guardian: &#8220;Merkel wanted to set a target for developed nations to cut emissions by 80% by 2050, but in the last gasp, China declared this unacceptable. This astonished many of those present: China was telling rich nations to rein back on their long-term commitment. The assumed reason was that China will have joined their ranks by 2050 and does not want to meet such a target. &#8220;Ridiculous,&#8221; exclaimed Merkel as she was forced to abandon the target.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/20/copenhagen-climate-global-warming" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/20/copenhagen-climate-global-warming</a></p>
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		<title>By: Copenhagen: the post-mortem &#124; Climate Safety</title>
		<link>http://greenleapforward.com/2009/12/23/how-did-china-fare-in-copenhagen-a-critical-analysis-by-someone-not-in-the-room/#comment-31729</link>
		<dc:creator>Copenhagen: the post-mortem &#124; Climate Safety</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] agreement.&#8221; Meanwhile, Julian Wong, author of the excellent Green Leap Forward blog, reckons that China has done pretty well out of the Copenhagen Accord: &#8220;My unofficial final score ends [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] agreement.&#8221; Meanwhile, Julian Wong, author of the excellent Green Leap Forward blog, reckons that China has done pretty well out of the Copenhagen Accord: &#8220;My unofficial final score ends [...]</p>
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		<title>By: gato</title>
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		<dc:creator>gato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 05:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great analysis.  China's demands that it needs to put its economic development first is not unreasonable.  Many in developed countries (especially the US) feel that the economy should come first, too, let alone poor countries like China and India.  We just have to do as much as we can to understand each others' needs and to share the sacrifices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great analysis.  China&#8217;s demands that it needs to put its economic development first is not unreasonable.  Many in developed countries (especially the US) feel that the economy should come first, too, let alone poor countries like China and India.  We just have to do as much as we can to understand each others&#8217; needs and to share the sacrifices.</p>
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		<title>By: Basant Singh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Basant Singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Copenhagen failed. It's high time the world should agree on something to keep the greenery of earth alive. Or the climate will deteriorate faster than we can ever imagine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Copenhagen failed. It&#8217;s high time the world should agree on something to keep the greenery of earth alive. Or the climate will deteriorate faster than we can ever imagine.</p>
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